"Originality/Authenticity/Judging Guides"

when you engage gear lever it operates a small micro switch under gear shift console this moves or sticks sometimes, this is a safety device.check by removeing console and see if gear shift touches micro switch if not adjust.if this does not work let me know good luck ,regards john uk

I bought my 97 XJR in January with 37,000 miles, just out of the 4-year warranty. I paid the dealer to put the car through the 200-point Jaguar checklist for $160, plus paid $50 extra to check the air cond system fully (a necessity in Las Vegas!).

They found over $2,600 worth of repairs, which the seller paid for!!!(based upon the seller's belief that he was going to get Jag to pay for it).

I believe, contrary to many, that low-mileage Jags DO have problems, mainly due to long periods of sitting without being driven. Rubber dries out, seals leak, fluids corrode...

Good advice to have it checked out

Michael Jabara
Las Vegas, NV
1954 XK-120 OTS
1997 XJR

I bought my 97 XJR in January with 37,000 miles, just out of the 4-year warranty. I paid the dealer to put the car through the 200-point Jaguar checklist for $160, plus paid $50 extra to check the air cond system fully (a necessity in Las Vegas!).

They found over $2,600 worth of repairs, which the seller paid for!!!(based upon the seller's belief that he was going to get Jag to pay for it).

I believe, contrary to many, that low-mileage Jags DO have problems, mainly due to long periods of sitting without being driven. Rubber dries out, seals leak, fluids corrode...

Good advice to have it checked out

Michael Jabara
Las Vegas, NV
1954 XK-120 OTS
1997 XJR

In addition to the manuals that George Camp recommends, you will find some help in the book "Mk2 Jaguar Restoration" in the Plactical Classics & Car Restorer series (published by Kelsey Publishing Limited, 1989, ISBN #1'873098 07). Page 78 deals with the Headling & Furflex, and has some pictures along with the insructive text.

HTH,
Warren Hansen

Daniel,

Thanks for your response. I don't know if it has service records, I haven't talked to the dealership (non-Jaguar) about it yet, I've just seen it in the paper.

If I decide on it, I will have a Jaguar dealer give it the once-over. Thanks again for your suggestions!

Jim

: Jim,

: It really is down to the individual car and how it has been treated for

: the first 7 years of its life. There are no "special"

: problems associated with this model, nor does 52,000 miles raise any

: flags. Does the car come with service records?

: I would HIGHLY recommend having the car inspected. Since this is a

: relatively recent model, a reputable Jaguar dealer should be able to

: inspect the car for you and provide a written report. Money well

: spent!

: Daniel

Jim,

It really is down to the individual car and how it has been treated for the first 7 years of its life. There are no "special" problems associated with this model, nor does 52,000 miles raise any flags. Does the car come with service records?

I would HIGHLY recommend having the car inspected. Since this is a relatively recent model, a reputable Jaguar dealer should be able to inspect the car for you and provide a written report. Money well spent!

Daniel

Hello all,

I'm looking at buying a 1995 XJR. The car has 52K miles on it. I haven't seen it in person or driven it yet. Are there any problem areas that I should look for? Any impending maintenance problems with this mileage, like brakes or shocks?

Jim

Does anyone have a removal procedure for the radio of an XJ6 (year '84)?

This is exactly what I have been suggesting since the subject came up. However, to make things easier and available for those without Internet access, I really think we should use 8x10 color photos so the test could be conducted at a judges meeting. The clarity would be far superior to Internet photos, especially if the judge is on AOL, who kills the resolution of photos coming over their system. I wouldn't mind seeing a bound booklet with perhaps 20 shots of various cars of varying condition and cleanliness. JCNA judges should have judged the cars and their results should be printed in the back so that they can be viewed by the testees after they have completed their scoresheets.

I think many of non-authentic items are missed because of the time factor (although there is no excuse for a CD player in an E or a Nardi wheel in an XJ6). By the time you gone through the intricate detail of the current scoresheet, you don't have time to do more than make a quick glance for non-authentic items.

However if we train judges with the book (or Internet) on the use of simplified scoresheets that work on a simple percentage bases rather than tenths of points for each little defect, people will have an idea of what constitutes 99%, 90%, 80%, and so on. Judging will move along more quickly and there will be more time to spot non-authentic items.

Also, and I hate to keep harping on this, when you have three or more people each judging their own area of a car, each has to be knowledgeable about what's authentic and what's not in their area. I say again, that we need to have the most knowledgeable person in each judging team handling the authenticity. One other judge will handle the cosmetics of the interior and boot, the third would handle the cosmetics of the engine bay and exterior. As I've said before, at our concours we have a hard enough time finding one person who is knowledgeable about _and_ eligible to judge a class, because that's usually the class in which they have a car entered. So, if we only need one person who is familiar with the intracasies of cars in the class, we have a much better shot of competent judging.

Let me be clear. This does not in any way limit the other two judges from pointing out non-authentic items to the authenticity judge. In fact, I'd encourage that. But, the person who is the most knowledgeable and conscientious judge should be assigned the job of authenticity judge.

It's not going to be perfect, but it will be a whole lot better.

Mark Stephenson

Jaguar Club of Central Arizona (www.cableone.net/jcca)

: One way to improve qualification would be to hold some form of virtual

: judging on the web site. using high res pictures, and compare each

: judges scoring VS a panel of 4 or 5 of the top JCNA judges. This

: would be excellent to even out differences. I'm sure the results

: would be very surprising...

true, butr we now have the tools to do that which we didnt' have 5 years ago.

Education is key and right now the judge training seminar mandated by JCAN rules is good for general procedure but it is not a real judging seminar.

One way to improve qualification would be to hold some form of virtual judging on the web site. using high res pictures, and compare each judges scoring VS a panel of 4 or 5 of the top JCNA judges. This would be excellent to even out differences. I'm sure the results would be very surprising...

The fact that a judge lets a NArdi go undeducted is pure ignorance or negligence... yes we're all volunteer but it would take very little to improve things.

another ex.: the first year I entered my E in Driven, out of 4 concours including Colorado Spring !!! only 1 deducted the modern in Dash CD player I have. Yes, at the national meet, a brand new digital CD player went un deducted...

Pascal

Believe me when I say that Dick Cavicke and his judging

: committee are trying to find a solution to the judging problems. With

: all volunteer judges of varying skills and interest, finding a

: solution is going to be very difficult!

: Bob

: TO Bob Stevenson

: RE: dealer option items

: I am specifically refering to a NARDI STEERING WHEEL which was available

: at time of purchase of new Jag as a dealer option. I would appreciate

: an

: "expert opinion" because judges have given

: contradictory opinions.

Pascal quoted chapter and verse and I really cannot understand ANY head judge letting a Nardi steering wheel slide through! I' m sure you can appreciate that if any "dealer option" was allowed the sky would be the limit . At one time we had a XJ6 that had a Nardi wheel on it and I finally got tired of the 6 point deduction, "bit the bullet" ,and bought the proper wheel and put the Nardi on our E-type. Believe me when I say that Dick Cavicke and his judging committee are trying to find a solution to the judging problems. With all volunteer judges of varying skills and interest, finding a solution is going to be very difficult!

Bob

Go the Concours Section of the Library ( link above ), you will find the Concours Rule book / judging guide. Updates will be posted there when they are available.

I wonder which club let it go because all the concours I've been to in the Southeast region always deduct for a Nardi... which is why I used to bring my original steering wheel and swap them before judging... But I now have so many NAs that's it easier to go in C16 :-)

Re Insconsistency, this is why efforts are being made to put together some orginality guides, Bob Stevenson has done a great job on the Series 1 E-type for instance. Others are working on similar documents for other models.

I believe these inconsistencies are the reason why some regions judge differently than others. And since we all know how difficult it is to have judges, odds are that within a region the same judges will do the judging at all the concours resulting in a higher than normal rate of 100 pointers...

Pascal

: THANKS>>>I accept your opinion, HOWEVER....the NARDI has been

: questioned at LEAST 3 times in JCNA

: CONCOURS over the past few years and evey time

: the CHIEF JUDGE has "PASSED" it with no deductions.

: If it is later deducted , itseems to me that

: there is GROSS inconsistecy wherein a contestant

: is "LULLED"...sort of "ex post facto' interpetation of

: the rules.....OR... if you know real estate law

: it resembles a "prescrptive easment"

: Where does one get the "GUIDE" ...and the planned

: updates????

: While I am at it....does anyone out there WONDER

: how ONE JAG CLUB cold have 6 or 7 ( !!!!)

: 100 point cars at one concours and several in the national standings for

: the year?????

: It continues. What can be done or should it just

: pass ?????

: Lets discuss this concours people

: Nardi's are non authentics. I have one and have never seen a judge not

: deducting...

: The rules are simple: "2. Authentic Options

: Authentic options are those items listed in Jaguar parts books or

: official Jaguar sales literature. Only written proof from those

: sources or from Jaguar Cars is acceptable."

: Nardis may have been installed by dealers but that doesn't make them

: authentic.

: the guide also states a 6 point deduct for wrong Steering Wheel.

: Pascal

: 72 2+2

THANKS>>>I accept your opinion, HOWEVER....the NARDI has been questioned at LEAST 3 times in JCNA

CONCOURS over the past few years and evey time

the CHIEF JUDGE has "PASSED" it with no deductions.

If it is later deducted , itseems to me that

there is GROSS inconsistecy wherein a contestant

is "LULLED"...sort of "ex post facto' interpetation of the rules.....OR... if you know real estate law

it resembles a "prescrptive easment"

Where does one get the "GUIDE" ...and the planned

updates????

While I am at it....does anyone out there WONDER

how ONE JAG CLUB cold have 6 or 7 ( !!!!)

100 point cars at one concours and several in the national standings for the year?????

It continues. What can be done or should it just

pass ?????

Lets discuss this concours people

Nardi's are non authentics. I have one and have never seen a judge not deducting...

The rules are simple:

"2. Authentic Options

Authentic options are those items listed in Jaguar parts books or official Jaguar sales literature. Only written proof from those sources or from Jaguar Cars is acceptable."

Nardis may have been installed by dealers but that doesn't make them authentic.

the guide also states a 6 point deduct for wrong Steering Wheel.

Pascal

72 2+2

: would be a much better heading. I'm sure Pascal is watching and will do

TO Bob Stevenson

RE: dealer option items

I am specifically refering to a NARDI STEERING WHEEL which was available at time of purchase of new Jag as a dealer option. I would appreciate an

"expert opinion" because judges have given

contradictory opinions.

: What does "DEALER OPTION" mean with reference to authenticity

: issues in concours judging?

: If dealer option items are not allowed as

: authentic, why not??? OR are they allowed with no

: point deductions???

: JAZZBO

Are we talking about dealer installed factory options or just anything he has that happens to fit a Jag?

Bob

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: Hagopian scores again! 100%, right on target!

: Thanks, Gary!

: Warren

What does "DEALER OPTION" mean with reference to authenticity issues in concours judging?

If dealer option items are not allowed as

authentic, why not??? OR are they allowed with no

point deductions???

JAZZBO

: Tell me if I'm wrong here. (as if you wouldn't!)

: Isn't the Authenticity Committee's objective to produce

: "guides" which can be used in judging? If so, I think that

: they should more properly be called "judging guides",

: rather than "originality guides".

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Hagopian scores again! 100%, right on target!

Thanks, Gary!

Warren