Heritage Certificates

Edited on 2010-02-07 13:09:14

Do a quick check at www.xkdata.com ... the listing may help with those numbers. There is a guide to the numbers on this page:
http://www.xkdata.com/resources/read/?id=1

I'm sure others can offer more assistance.

This may not be the best place to seek advice but here's hoping. I am looking at purchasing an XK120OTS in Delaware. Is there any way I can confirm the correct engine and gearbox numbers are fitted (all mechanical details look correct). But the ID plate while showing correct numbers omits prefixes for engine (W) and gearbox (JH or SH). I have heard of some mistakes occurring - humans and all - but these seem very peculiar mistakes to have been made.

Hi, Steve,
The following info is on our Library section .... ordering is easy and takes only weeks. Discount for JCNA members ($25 instead of $40). You need to provide the items listed. Call Mike Cook with any further questions. I framed my certificates with car-color-matching matting, and they look great!

"I am very pleased to advise that we are now able to provide Jaguar vehicle build data from our US headquarters in Mahwah, NJ. This vehicle information service is available to any Jaguar owner and will be furnished providing the owner-applicant can provide proof of personal ownership of the vehicle in question. We are presently able to provide
data on the following vehicles:

Swallow Sidecars (1937)
SS & SS Jaguar (from 1931)
Jaguar
Daimler (partial records only; please inquire)

The enclosed form (click on link to open and print from your browser) must be completed by the owner and returned to us with proof of ownership; e.g. vehicle registration, title or a notarized bill of sale in the applicant's name. Send only one proof, please. Requests for vehicle information are handled in the order in which they are received. We anticipate that it will take no more than 4 weeks to process your request after we receive the completed. Form. A preliminary report will be issued which we will ask you to verify prior to printing the final 8x12 certificate.

The charge is $40.00 per vehicle inquiry. These proceeds are used to support our full range of vehicle and other available archival research services. Please read the attached form for further details and special comments for members of the Jaguar Clubs of North America.

Best regards

Michael L. Cook
Jaguar North American Archives
555 MacArthur Blvd.
Mahwah, NJ 07430
(201) 818-8144
Fax: (201) 818-8464 "

Where do you send the information to obtain a Heritage certificate,and what do the need?
How long does it usually take?
Thanks
Steve

Where do you send the information to obtain a Heritage certificate,and what do the need?
How long does it usually take?
Thanks
Steve

George,
Yep, that's the plate! Wish I'd been there in the dumpster with you guys. I might've found my name there.

Cliff LOL you mean the "Customer Identification Plate'? That was issued here in the good old US of A and the warranty records etc. were all dealt with by Jaguar US (or actually BL). In anycase they did not forward those names back to Coventry to be added. The few first owners for the US I have seen were from a European "pick-up" Sad thing is I think I remember when Jaguar moved to Mahwah seeing those files dumped--while I was dumpster diving with Karen Miller and Mike Cook.

While on my honeymoon in July 2005, a few days after they closed the production line, my bride dragged me to the JDHT where Julia helped me locate the birth records of my 2 E-Type OTSs. As I turned through the pages showing 20 cars per page (running across 2 pages - see how I'm stretching my arms?) I saw very few cars with the first owner named. I was advised that names were added if 1) the car was ordered via a dealership or 2) if the warranty card/info was submitted through channels AND if the book was appended months/years later. I know I submitted my warranty card in Dec 1970 and I got the Protect-O-Plate (or whatever it was called), but my name wasn't listed 35 years later.

Yes they did on a technicality and many find it strange that "they"will not address how they obtained Jaguar build records.

And, if I recall some disussion elsewhere, there was a legal battle which was won by those who legally obtained said files.

I would suggest that anyone using any site other then JDHT check the E-Type Lovers archives. There was a lengthy discussion about this in the past week or so concerning Jaguar production records and according to the chief archivist at JDHT a film of these records "walked" away from the JDHT a few years ago. Nuff said!

Bleasie welcome--but for folks in JCNA (or in this continent) they get the same cert. as JDHT issued from Mahwah (Jaguar NA) and at a discount if members! Thanks for the pictures of the Burberry Had heard of them but do not think I had seen one-is the tartan pink or is it just the pics?

Thanks John.

I have just purchased a 1952 XK120 which was converted over to another race car bode in 1955. It is missing the ID Plate. The Chassis No is 670640.

Can someone please tell me where to apply for a Heritage Certificate?

Does anyone know where I can obtain a new ID plate and can I fill in the info once I get back the Heritage Certificate? Will it tell me the original colors, engine #, etc?

Thanks,

Bob Sheridan

Here's a picture of the XK120 race car.

Well, your information has been of great help.
I found a place of that name, that handles vehicle importation into Singapore, and have e-mailed them for information.
We shall see what transipres!

Thanks again!

Dave

Okay!
One more:
Where was Cycle and Carriage company located?

Edited on 2009-01-01 15:49:42

Now that is odd.
My Heritage Certificate shows Distributor as Appleyard, dealer as S.M.T. Sales and Service in Dumfries.

Cycle and Carriage shipped to Singapore a lot?

Edit:
Does it show a name for original purchaser?

Thanks!

Sure enough!
118011

64 RHD Mark Two, 2.4L.

What I am trying to do is as others who say they have all the history on their cars.

I know when it was built.
15 years later, the first name shows up on a document.

I am surmising the person who owned it when my friend bought it in 1979 or 1980 had owned it for a while.
15 years might be a stretch.

So, if I could figure out who the original owner was, and find out when this first named person bought it, I will have closed the 15 years down considerably.

Not having done this before, I am also surmising that no listed first owner actually means something.
Like, for foreign shipment?

Thanks!

I am not complaining!
I love the data, as it fills a void.

I do know the Registration Book from Singapore has a 1979 date, which is crossed out, and a 1980 date inserted as "first", the owner then was a Kiwi Diplomat named Robert Alexander Koehne.

So, I've got 15 years to figure out.

Now to find out where Mr. Koehne is.

Edited on 2008-12-29 16:13:22

I have found Certs to be accurate. I have only dealt with the New Jersey Cert issuing staff and have found the service first rate.

I wonder if any Certified inaccuracy is made into "fact" by the official status of the Cert???

I have never heard tell of anyone amending/correcting a Cert. or the archives. I do not know if JDHT even cares to correct the JagCar Co official records. JDHT may feel its duty is to merely report "what's there" or is "available officially".

Do we expect an archive facility to do more for us than supply the raw data available?

Obviously, the Cert establishes a car's original specs and its first delivery destination (for Canada it appears to be, invariably, the Jag branch plant known as "JEC") but then you're own your own.

JDHT could/would not help with tracing a rare XJ-S Junior (no VIN + no records = no further action, with a few "not a car anyway" comments added on).

I went so far as to have a webpage created to farm for more information on the XJ-S Junior ....

I also at a dead-end (so far) on a Winnipeg (Canadian) '59 Mk IX.

On the positive side, the Jag community usually falls over itself to help one another get to the bottom of things.

D Lokun
OJOA
whoit the hey, check out: www.ontariojaguar.org

That's where all the comments came from!
I haven't got any problems with the information.
I would, however, like to "expand" upon it a little bit.

Like, is there something in the lack of original owner that is secret code for "shipped to NZ" or some such?

And, if as someone on JagLovers said, Appleyard and SMT were not distributors/dealers, but COULD function that way, I wonder why........

I did get the official document Yesterday (26DEC08), same data.

This is a BIG piece of the puzzle .
Added to the Singapore registration book (looks like a maroon passport), I can narrow it down a bit more.

Dave,

Generally they are pretty accurate. They were hand written by people with varying degrees of penmanship, so sometimes details weren't weren't entered properly, but to get an incorrect dealer would be pretty difficult unless they automated it with shortcut keys and someone hit the wrong key.

If you haven't asked this over on Jag-Lovers, you should try there. There are bound to be a lot of Scots who have lived through the sixties and could tell you from personal experience.