Hi, I ran into a small issue while judging S2 at the recent Challenge Championship. OV scoresheets were included in the judging packets for these cars. For example, Ken's XK-12 was street compliant (horns, lights, etc). On the other end of the spectrum was Rod's SCCA E-Type racer which only had brake lights (I believe this is an SCCA requirement). To be consistent across the class we only judged back-up lights on all the cars including Mr Hagopian's. I didn't think it would be fair to give Ken or Gary a deduction if one of their head lights did not work when Rod had none at all!
Perhaps I've missed something in the Rule Book but I can't find anywhere where it says the S1 and S2 should be exempt from OV. I think that S-3 should be inspected as these are to be street compliants.
If I am correct here perhaps this is something the Rules Committee should address.
Pat Harmon
CJ NGJC
Submitted by pharmon@jcna.com on Fri, 10/07/2005 - 15:57
Submitted by SE98-32482CJ on Thu, 10/06/2005 - 07:30
Re.: Special Class Operational Verification
Pat perhaps the way to approach the class is no different than say XK120s. Some have turn signals while earlier cars do not. Or Xk140 standards that have no fog lamps while on the MC version they are standard. George Camp
Submitted by SW03-09811 on Thu, 10/06/2005 - 00:58
Re.: Special Class Operational Verification
Ginger, Pascal and Pat,
George Camp recalls correctly that JCRC put a good many hours into our definition of Special Division and its classes. We thought we had enough words to describe most of the likely entries but it looks as though we didn't cover all of the (S2) configuration possibilities.
The general Special Division (light and horn) objectives are:
a. to insure that genuine "Factory prepared" race cars (S1) are presented with all of their original lights and horns.
b. to insure that (S4) Replicas have the same lights and horns as the Jaguars they replicate.
c. to allow (S3) Modified cars to have their light and horn configurations changed from the original but for them to still meet basic period or contemporary safety requirements.
d. to insure that privately prepared competition cars (S2) have either documented race history, or proof that they have passed the track and safety requirements of a currently recognized road-race sanctioning body.
1. Inherent in the foregoing is the expectation that S2 entries will be presented with the horns and lights that met or meet the requirements of the organization(s) that approved their prior or current competition.
2. Additionally, if any (S2) cars are also used on the street, they must obviously meet basic street safety horn and light requirements.
e. that while there is clearly not going to be a "standard" light and horn configuration for all Special Division classes, all of the lights and horns that are installed, MUST WORK.
JCRC will attempt to make further clarifications of the Special Division OV checks.
Sorry for any confusion.
Dick Cavicke
Chair, JCRC
Submitted by SE98-32482CJ on Wed, 10/05/2005 - 19:46
Re.: Special Class Operational Verification
I remember with great pain the work the JCRC did on these. The problem might be solved if the cars did as note 2 in the S2 guide states: A.Documented RACE history or B. PROOF the car meets and has passed track and safety requirements of a road race sanctioning body such as SCCA, FIA, etc. Was that documentation present? If not then by the book they did not meet requirements for the class. I see one car was recognized as a SCCA car but by the book the entrant should have presented proof to the chief judge. The JCRC anticipated ths problem (we got lucky) and realized anyone could strip down a car and enter it. That is why the language makes the owner prove it either was/is a race car or could have been a race car to spec. JCNA parking lot slalom oes not qualify as a sanction body or road race. The best advice would be check what is there. If it is non functional either by design or not required a racer will get it off the car. George Camp
Submitted by cordag@aol.com on Wed, 10/05/2005 - 17:30
Re.: Special Class Operational Verification
Edited on 2005-10-05 17:37:12
Edited on 2005-10-05 17:36:17
I think we may need some clarifcation on this point from Dick Cavicke, as I wasn't so sure about that "everything in all places" part either. I've seen lots of race cars that were stripped of all that was not necessary for racing. I would definitely expect everything on the XJ220 to work, and would like to personally see if the twin turbos kicked in when expected! :-D
I think you should judge what they *do* have, though.
Ginger Corda
1971 E-Type 2+2
1966 E-Type OTS
Submitted by pharmon@jcna.com on Wed, 10/05/2005 - 16:37
Special Class Operational Verification
Ginger, I see where you are coming from but I don't agree. According to the rule you quoted (In Chapter II, Entry Requirements and Eligibility) then Rod's E-Type was not eligible for entry into our Concours as he did not have the items "in the numbers and positions as originally configured." Additionally, if he were eligble then would we not deduct for the items as missing/non-authentic and on the OV make deductions for the items not working because they are not installed? IMHO the whole idea behing the Special classes is to allow them to be shown in the Concours and compete against like cars. Thinking through this, my vote would be to not conduct OVs on only the S2 class. Ron Green entered his gorgeous XJ-220 in S1 and all the stuff worked. The S4 replica is just that -- a replica -- and it should have everything the original had.
Pat Harmon
CJ NGJC
Submitted by pascal@jcna.com on Wed, 10/05/2005 - 16:12
Special Class Operational Verification
interesting... seems to me that if an S2 car is presented with headlights, or turn signals, they should be functional. If they are on the car, it could mean that the sanctioning body who passed the car (necessary for entry in S2) requires them.
If a car is in S2 but is also road registered, shouldn't all of the OV checks be performed?
Pascal Gademer
Submitted by cordag@aol.com on Wed, 10/05/2005 - 16:12
Special Class Operational Verification
Here's what the rules say:
"5. Horn and Light Requirements
a. Entries in Champion, and Driven Division and Special Division Classes S1, S2 and S4 must have horns and exterior lights in the numbers and positions as originally configured. At the Entrant's discretion, lights offered as optional equipment for the specific model, may be added. Horns and all exterior lights must operate as intended.
b. Special Division Class S3, Modified, must be equipped with functional horns, headlights, tail lights, brake lights, parking lights, license plate lights, back-up lights and turn signals appropriate to the vintage."
I judge operationals, and if they have an item -- it gets tested, regardless of what the other cars have/don't have.
I see what you're saying because I know those cars, and some of them just don't have the stuff! Maybe someone can give us a better answer, as I am interested in knowing more about it.
Ginger Corda
1971 E-Type 2+2
1966 E-Type OTS
Thanks for everyone's input on this subject. Again, I believe the only confusion is concerning the S2 class. If the rule is, as Dick states, "If the cars got it then it has to work otherwise there must be an OV deduction." Prior to judging I did ask Jim and Mike if they had the sactioning body documentation for the S2 cars and they said that they did. My only problem, as a judge, I simply did not know what items those sanctioning bodies required on the cars. This reduces me to asking the entrant "Do you have a horn?" "If so, please make it work." "Do you have turn-signals?" etc. Personally, I believe adding the Special Class was they best thing done in years as it gives these cars a venue for others to see them. As a judge I need guidance what to inspect and I can take it from there.
Pat