OWN76 XJ12C and 84 XJS
The judging thread has many interesting comments.I have participated in class 11 competition since the late 80s and before.I agree that conversation during judging is a no-no, but occasionally judges do make some comments, which are
much appreciated.I believe that if a judge deducts points,they should note
along side the entry the specific
defect, so we can correct it later.Also
in cases where a substantial deduction
is levied in an area ( engine, interior
exterior etc) that judge should consult with the other two judges. This might
result in a better consensus, particularly with an inexperienced judge
I can appreciate the job of judging
But shouldnt all the judges be "vetted"
by the chief judge with some of the policies and the basics?? I have
been judged in arond 15 jcna concours and can accept some deviations in scoring from time to time.
In two important concours in the paST TWO YEARS scores were so out of line,
with NO COMMENTS on the sheet that
I feel lke quiting ( I am trying for national recognition) For example,
ELEVEN (!!) points deducted in one area
where in 5 other concours the most was
2.5 !! That is unknowing inconsistency
and should have been reviewed with the chief judge.Another example was a 7 point deduction where the previous
concours werearound 1.0.
What good does it do to complain 6 weeks later wwhen I receive the score ????
At least jcna gives us our scores.
Those SCCA concors never do so in a field of 11 cars...all exotics, unless itsa first second or third place finish
we never know how we were scored or placed.

Submitted by SW03-09811 on Fri, 01/02/2004 - 20:57

Bruce,
Having personally experienced the full range of judging inconsistencies, I can understand your frustration.

A primary reason for my getting more involved with JCNA was to try to improve the standardization and
quality of concours judging. The Judge's Concours Rules Committee (JCRC) is seriously involved in that effort
and I am encouraged by the results thus far.

The Rule Book specifically encourages Judges to work as a team and to share their authenticity knowledge
no matter which component they are assigned to judge. JCRC will continue to emphasize that process.

Your desire to know what items of condition and cleanliness the Judge is finding, and for which deductions
are being made, is more than reasonable. The current problem facing the Judge is the scoresheet format
and the time allowed (15 minutes) for completing the judging.

JCRC has been examining several changes to the existing scoresheet that would allow the Judge to list the
main cleanliness and condition discrepancies. A scoresheet change, that will accommodate such comments,
will likely be proposed for use in the 2005 concours season.

The JCNA Concours program is gradually being improved; however, JCRC as been cautious not to introduce
too many changes at one time. We sincerely appreciate input from experienced concours participants as yourself.

Regards,
Dick Cavicke
Chairman, JCRC